Players getting frustrated with games and moving on to another game because the game stops working the way it should in favor of cosmetic appeal kills games too.

If ESEA picked up a TF2 promod and players used its services for everything such as scrimg and pugs it wouldn't actually have that big of a negative effect, it really might be worth trying out. It's not like the comp community isn't split already from the pub community. Might also make ESEA care more about TF2 because we would be using its client outside matches. That and a player seeking other comp games would probably be interested more of he saw a sreamlined version of TF2. If made properly, it just might outweigh the negatives of using a promod.

WELCOME TO THE WORLD OF SCOUTING AND SNIPING

It's not as bad as the world of soldiering where a pebble or a slight bump in between your rocket and the enemy means the rocket does no damage to anybody around the explosion.

but thats not the games fault, thats your fault you didn't take the bump into consideration :3

in regards to e-mailing Valve, hittup coreyp@valvesoftware.com or TF-team on the right hand side of teamfortress.com

yeah I don't think Robin really fields TF2 emails any more

I've emailed other people at valve and gotten very prompt replies

maybe i'm alone in this, but i never get bad hit reg unless i'm playing sniper (where headshots are for some reason considered body shots even at like .01 timescale). My internet is completely unstable and I never get good ping anywhere, but when shots don't do damage, it's usually because I missed.

cu @ qunmunity

Loronix wrote:

maybe i'm alone in this, but i never get bad hit reg unless i'm playing sniper (where headshots are for some reason considered body shots even at like .01 timescale). My internet is completely unstable and I never get good ping anywhere, but when shots don't do damage, it's usually because I missed.

no, i'm definitely with you.

turtsmcgurts wrote:

Loronix wrote:

maybe i'm alone in this, but i never get bad hit reg unless i'm playing sniper (where headshots are for some reason considered body shots even at like .01 timescale). My internet is completely unstable and I never get good ping anywhere, but when shots don't do damage, it's usually because I missed.

no, i'm definitely with you.

please get good

I've definitely had moments where a shot clearly was on center-mass and it did no damage, but those are very few and far between. I can't say I've ever had it happen in a scrim or match either.

when i play scout i just flick my aim so much that i cant tell if i hit or not, so i trust the game to get it correct!

i never get bad reg either

reg is fucking terrible with melee too, you can be point blank against the other players model and hear the hit sound and nothing happens. amazing

A not so long time ago when I was shittier than I am now, I used to blame the server for every mis-reg'd shot. I've been blaming servers less and less since then...hmm...

I do admit that the reg in tf2 is far from great and I would like to have it improved upon, but I don't think that it's anything that can't be fixed with improvements on your aim. The player with the better aim will win the fight 99% of the time (discounting lucky shots) and lose very few of the fights because registry. If another player consistently wins 1v1 fights then the server isn't the one to blame. Now mis-reg'd meatshots on a medic on the other hand...I would like a fix

Edit: on second thought...you could just switch to demo and completely circumvent this issue.

Chriz_Tah_Fah wrote:

Edit: on second thought...you could just switch to medic and completely circumvent this issue.

You would think that a game engine like Source, which is an implementation of the Quake engine that have been released 15 years ago would have a flawless netcode... Apparently not, it seems that the registry is as accurate as a coin toss.

They have released how many thousands of updates through the years? All the games they release have very popular multiplayer mods. Valve is a multibillion $ company. I would expect that someone in their building has the knowledge to get this thing coded properly.

svfrey wrote:

Chriz_Tah_Fah wrote:

Edit: on second thought...you could just switch to medic and completely circumvent this issue.

But you didn't say FIX'D!!

this works too though

Anyone who claims the netcode is "broken" and needs to be "fixed" is delusional. Hit registry is a very complex problem, blaming valves netcode will get you nowhere. In actuality it is very well implemented and does provide accurate detection almost all of the time.

This said there are many server-side and client-side settings which can drastically affect the effectiveness of interpolation. If you doubt your settings watch your POV demos at 25% speed and really look at where your cursor is when you fire (do NOT use STV demos to check this).

Also note that when you are touching an enemy model your computer cannot accurately predict where you are able to move due to the unpredictable movement of enemies. This creates the opportunity for seeming "bad registration" when in actuality your model was not represented as being in the right location.

do people really still say goodnight sweet prince?

hitreg in quake live seems better in my experience

thats because hitboxes in quake live are the size of the sun

problem solved

It's actually kind of comforting to see others are experiencing awful hitreg to the same severity that I am. I've had this problem for a loooong time, on two different computers.

I try to live with it for the most part, but what frustrates me the most is CLEAR headshots registering as bodyshots. This always happens to me when I quickscope a scout at close range, the shot will be on the top of their head, leave a bloodstain and everything and then I see "50 damage" pop up. Even depending on the server, if I quickshot still targets it will register as a bodyshot.

Shit is awful.

That match makes me look like a bad combat medic, and I'm pretty sure hitscan is broken in TF2, which is the main reason I refuse to play scout

Kirby wrote:

Lange wrote:

Promodes kill games even faster than Valve can.

How so? Putting biased opinions aside on this, Call of Duty 4's competitive scene (before it died in NA), mixed with the still going EU scene, was as big as TF2's comp. scene has been, if not bigger.

Of course, these are two completely different games within the same genre. So, back to my original question, how so?

Creating a promode is just going to cater to comp players and make getting into 6s even less accessible than it is already.

welcome to team fortress 2

atmo wrote:

hitreg in quake live seems better in my experience

it's not merely 'better'

it's a metric shitton better

FFG wrote:

atmo wrote:

hitreg in quake live seems better in my experience

it's not merely 'better'

it's a metric shitton better

No you're just delusional. Hitboxes are weird as hell, everytime I play I hit a few rails that are nowhere near the enemy model but it still regs. People on ESReality bitch about it all the time, even more so than here.

No code can compensate for all the noise of an unstable internet connection (either at your or the other guy's end). It's annoying to not have shots register but it really doesn't happen often enough to be a dealbreaker.