swiper no swiping

The problem was warmfront.

As much as heavy displeases me, the only situation where he was a pain was warmfront. It sounds like you should just vote out warmfront

I'd rather play ashville than warmfront

warmfront is that bad

I'd rather play a koth map

if u dont know how to counter a class that is slower than a turtle you better try playing chess

Venom_ wrote:

if u dont know how to counter a class that is slower than a turtle you better try playing chess

Competitive chess player here. Ban heavy S12.

Why do you hate offclassing so much?

Zigzter wrote:

Why do you hate offclassing so much?

tragic HEHEHEHEEHEHEEHE

your idea of fun is lobbying endlessly with tragic in mumble so...

if you can't get your team to focus fire a heavy then stop playing tf2 or stop complaining. the reason this game is so fun is because of the variety of classes and how each is unique, and what it brings to the game.

offclass_advocate

i agree with joe, uninstall tf2.

why do you make so many bad threads

Gay

One thing that always bugs me about people saying "just focus the heavy" is you end up wasting so many shots on a heavy that is actively playing a bit back/trying to survive, that the rest of the team just steamrolls you. or conversely, if you bring the heavy in late, people are so low ammo/unprepared for it that the heavy ends up cleaning up (unless there's a lot of shit to hide behind). It's not overpowered by any means, but it's not fun to play against at all, and it feels to me that heavy is usually the best for an uber push/defense on like majority of the competitives 2nd points/last points. I agree with the last points though, warmfront is an issue, but I just can never really understand why people are so defensive over heavies when they almost always slow the game down. But then again when I last played competitive, we were running 2 natasha heavys on gullywash, so it may be some residual hatred for it :D

heavy is fine
bringing a heavy in after uber is called STRAT

its like if someone complained that people ran sniper to get picks
just stop complaining

b0tmode wrote:

heavy is fine
bringing a heavy in after uber is called STRAT

its like if someone complained that people ran sniper to get picks
just stop complaining

You have to look at it from the mindset of "does this strat make the game more fun, or less". I love to see variety personally but I've really always been on the fence about whether it improves the quality of the game or not.

method wrote:

b0tmode wrote:

heavy is fine
bringing a heavy in after uber is called STRAT

its like if someone complained that people ran sniper to get picks
just stop complaining

You have to look at it from the mindset of "does this strat make the game more fun, or less". I love to see variety personally but I've really always been on the fence about whether it improves the quality of the game or not.

we're not euro
don't worry
be happy

and I've really only seen better teams run the heavy strat everyone else just goes with sniper or something like that

how dare you insult the first class I ever touched in tf2. you sir are a dongus.

lol

method wrote:

But then again when I last played competitive, we were running 2 natasha heavys on gullywash, so it may be some residual hatred for it :D

Haha, I remember watching the AI vs. Purple Cobras Gullywash playoff match in season 6. The double Natascha holds on last were almost physically painful to watch.

Heavy is a massive faggot class that requires no skill to play. It's only downside is the inability to quickly cover ground but during last holds that's completely irrelevant since you can hit the spawn and class switch instantly.

Why nobody takes issue with it is beyond me since it's pretty much the universal response to "whoops we wiped at mid." The only reason its damage is so retardedly high is because it has to be pubbie-playable and the average player can't track a walking soldier at timescale .25

Without heavy teams that lost their medic at mid would have 0 chance of holding last.

Maybe they deserve to lose, but honestly heavy is really retarded but necessary for pubbies and we have already reduced it to bare minimum loadout, in other words its up to valve now.

When valve buffed miniguns natasha was painfully obvious how broken it was, but it was the season that started to make it obvious that double heavy is stupid.
Also, doing high damage is the only thing that would make the class useful. Bring down it's damage so it's worse than a pyro? Take away any reason to even focus the heavy? It's slow and high DPS as balance.
Also, fun is relative and stupid argument. Pyro is fun for the pyro when you airblast, but since it's not standard soldiers will rage. It's saving grace is the ability to stop ubers on small indoor maps, much like heavy. Still not impossible to beat and usually doesn't work anyways.

Win mid, win the round?
This is already true most of the time, so why make it harder for the defending team?

I'm not for banning heavy, I'm for nerfing it but it seems the only way to do that would be to increase spin up to pre-nerf time. In your example you said lose med at mid and that does pretty much mean you lost the round unless the people up go huge.

Phrakture_ wrote:

Win mid, win the round?
This is already true most of the time, so why make it harder for the defending team?

Why make it easier?

"Make it harder" isn't an intrinsically good or bad thing. As soon as the game ties up to uber on uber you're almost always going to prefer running a heavy over a soldier/scout.

heavy is fine. stop whining about the classes and instead why don't you complain the new weapons or the terrible changes to the old weapons